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AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core/12 Threads AM4 Processor with Wraith Spire Cooler, 100-100000022BOX
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- A powerful 6-core processor with 12 threads
- With Zen 2 architecture
- Features 32MB of L3 cache, 24 PCIe Gen 4 lanes
- Support for dual-channel 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM
- Designed for socket AM4 motherboards
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I could go on and on about all the positives, although my one gripe with the board is that it has pretty poor RGB lighting options, I would've really liked more options and implementations of the RGB.
Great mobo that was easy to build with. MSI has industry leading bios and this board is no exception. I was initially worried about the mobo fan and wondering whether it would be loud or constantly spinning - There was no need to worry as it is essentially silent and rarely spins. The IO panel is pre installed which is great and looks good aesthetically, The board has very dark neutral colors so will fit with any color schemes. I had no issues getting my 3200mhz ram to run at that speed, it only took one click on the xmp button in the bios. Overall a very good board, would recommend, especially if you need the wifi. Wifi signal has had no issues and the rgb edge is a nice touch to display.
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- Mit den Standard-Settings im Bios schwanken die Idle-Temperaturen in schneller Folge zw. 48 und 62 Grad
- über Vcore von bis zu 1,48 Volt (!) sollte man sich nicht wundern
- Ohne "balanced" Energiesparplan bleibt der Vcore und Takt im Leerlauf i.d.R. am Maximum
- Leistungsgewinn ggü. 2600 nur in synthetischen Benchmarks deutlich feststellbar (z.B. Cinebench 20)
- FPS-Steigerung in Kombination mit einer RTX 2070 Grafikkarte und QHD-Auflösung: nicht feststellbar,
das liegt allerdings an der GPU-Limitierung und ist vom Spiel abhängig, getestet habe ich z.B. Far Cry 5
- Maximaltemperatur bei voller Auslastung aller Kerne (prime) bis über 95 Grad (!) trotz Dark Rock Pro 4 Kühler
- manuelle Begrenzung des Vcore auf z.B. 1,35 Volt kann schon zu instabilem System führen
- Boost erreicht nicht die beworbenen 4,4 GHz sondern maximal 4,25 GHz (!)
- Manuelles Setting auf 4,2 GHz alltime auf allen Kernen läuft mit 1,38 Volt relativ stabil - bis auf prime95 small FFT
- Prime small FFT läuft nur mit Default/Auto Settings im Bios oder auf allen Kernen mit max. 4,15 GHz ohne Absturz stabil (angesichts des Basistaktes von 3,6 GHz akzeptabel)
- Beim Anschalten des PCs drehen sämtliche Lüfter für 3-5 Sekunden hoch - nicht korrigierbar
Ansonsten ist der Prozessor natürlich top, nur im Vergleich zum halb zu teuren 2600 und zum 40 Euro günstigeren 3600er (ohne X) eben hinter den Erwartungen. Die Unzulänglichkeiten mit dem Vcore, den Temperaturen und Taktraten könnte man notfalls auch Windows oder dem Board zuschreiben. Nach allen Recherchen haben allerdings auch die X570er Boards mit den gleichen Problemen zu kämpfen - zumindest noch. Ich denke mit der Zeit werden Windows- und Biosupdates die Merkwürdigkeiten ausmerzen.
Abhilfe der Extremwerte sollten Einstellungen in den Energiesparoptionen schaffen. Dort vor allem unter dem
Eintrag "maximale -" und "minimale CPU-Auslastung" genügend Spielraum lassen. Bei mir funktionierte die
Anpassung der Auslastung im Energiesparplan "Ryzen balanced" mit 85% min und 100% max noch am besten.
Vcore und Takt senkten sich so zumindest bei geringerster CPU-Auslastung (idle, nur Desktop) drastisch.
Positiv: Der RAM hat jetzt noch Spiel nach oben. Bei mir läuft der 3200er RAM jetzt sauber mit 3333 MHz.
Das war unter absolut identischen Bedingungen selbst mit selber BIOS-Version mit dem 2600er Ryzen nicht im Ansatz möglich.
DAS alles bekommt der Ryzen 3600 ohne X genauso gut hin - ich bereue es, 40,00 € mehr ausgegeben zu haben.
*Gäbe es den 3600 nicht, hätte ich allein für das Preis/Leistungsverhältnis 5 Sterne vergeben*
Die beschriebenen "Probleme" fallen kaum jemandem auf, der den PC nur als Mittel zum Zweck nutzt - ähnlich
den Leuten, die ein Auto lediglich als Fortbewegungsmittel sehen ;-)
Die Prozessoren 3600 und 3600X sind identisch, wie die Eigenschaftentabellen zeigen. Man kann also davon ausgehen, dass eine Selektion der maximal erreichbaren Taktung zur Qualifikation als X-Model führt. Somit
liegt die X-Variante in Standard- und Boosttakt 200 MHz über dem Basis-3600er. Die von mir erreichten und in der Fachpresse erreichten Werte zeigen aber, dass auch der 3600X nicht über die Angaben des 3600er ohne X hinausgehen, wogegen der 3600er (ohne X) in allen Benchmarks die versprochenen Werte einhält und die X-Variante somit obsolet macht.
Leider leider kann man den 3600X nicht einmal manuell stabil um 200MHz höher treiben als den 3600, denn 4,15 oder 4,2 GHz schafft der 3600 ebenfalls, sofern man nicht unglaubliches Pech bei der Silicon-Lotterie hat.
Es fragt sich, ob man es noch als Übertaktung bezeichnen kann, wenn man den Takt des 3600x manuell auf 41,5 x 100 MHz stellt. Damit läuft der Prozessor stur rund um die Uhr mit 4150 MHz auf allen Kernen und mit jeder Auslastung stabil und mit Festlegung der Vcore-Spannung auf 1,35 Volt auch noch relativ kühl. Diese Einstellung
ist mir lieber und souveräner als die von AMD vergebene Standardeinstellung, in der sehr hohe Spannungen anliegen und das Heruntertakten bei geringer Auslastung nicht wirklich gut funktioniert. Ich kann auch nicht bestätigen, dass die implementierten overclocking Tools einschl. "Gameboost" was bringen, auch wenn die CPU so mit 4250 MHz läuft. (Dieser Wert wird nur im Singlecore erreicht, mit fest eingestelltem Takt auf allen Cores natürlich nicht). Ist die AMD-Angabe, dass die CPU bis 4,4 GHz taktet nun gelogen? Meiner Meinung nach ja. Hat AMD das nötig? Ich glaube nicht...
(Wenn das hier hilfreich war, würde ich mich über einen Klick freuen)
I upgraded to a 3900x. I've been using it for a couple of weeks and l'm loving it. A few things to note for those of you Ryzen 3rd Gen. users and prospective buyers:
1. Voltage offset is your friend. In my case and with my specific MOBO (Asus C6H - x370) the different Ryzen CPUs I had (3600x, 3700x and now 3900x) behaved in the same way:
- High voltage at idle up to 1.5V
- (Thus) 'high' idle temps: around 37-45ºC
- Around 1.2-1.3V at load, temps around 60ºC (ranging from 55 to 65ºC on a Corsair H150i Pro, quiet pump and all fans spinning around 800 RPMs).
I don't care what "Robert" from AMD says and I surely don't trust him; I trust the numbers I get on my PC. So, if you want a quieter, more efficient, longer lasting (probably) Ryzen 3rd. Gen. CPU, I advise to go the 'voltage offset' route. Personally, I have my chip set to -1.0V so the 3900x never has more than 1.4V fed to it (I did the same on the 3700x; l actually had this CPU with a 1.250V undervolt and it did just as good as stock. I haven't tried to go so 'low' on voltage on the 3900x yet. I bet it'll work just fine, but until I try it I won't know for certain). I have run benchmarks (games, Cinebench) and I get slightly better results with the offset voltage. YMMV.
2. If you want a totally silent PC experience (and have the appropriate components you'll need for it), I suggest you set a fan curve where fans won't spin up until the CPU reaches 62-63ºC AND you set the fans to have around 3 to 5 seconds response delay (you can actually set normal fan curves as long as you have a 5 seconds response delay. Just observe the CPU behavior and you'll understand the *rational for this).
*This is all about trying to get around the 'low usage' and 'high voltage' Ryzen 3rd. Gen. behavior. Open an app and it'll boost up to its max., having the voltage fed to it to its max., too. This causes the temps to go much higher than at idle but just for literally a couple/few seconds. I've noticed the CPU won't care whether my fans are spinning at 2000 or 700 RPMs: it will still reach such temps. and settle there.
Thus, the way to go is what l mentioned above. That way, your fans won't bother what the CPU is doing and will only spin up when the CPU truly needs it (beyond 62-63ºC). Funny enough that will hardly ever happen (almost never in my system) as, unless you don't have the appropriate airflow, your 3rd Gen. Ryzen CPU will hardly go beyond the aforementioned temps. Sure enough, again, your temps will vary according to the airflow in your case and ambient temps.
3. I don't think l have noticed a significant improvement when going from the 3600x to the 3700x and then to the 3900x (as expected). All these CPUs are pretty snappy and a joy to use (once it's all properly configured). Unless you have a workload that requires more than 6 cores OR you are an enthusiast like me who gets thrilled just by thinking you have a 12 cores and 24 threads CPU, you're probably better off with the 3600 (even the non x).
If you aren't planning to change the CPU until 3 years or beyond (and you like gaming) l'd probably buy the 3700x. Games like Battlefield V do use those 8 cores and even 12! I've seen "BV" using 54% of the 3900x (that's using those 12 cores fully and some of one thread) and I see up to 64% usage when 'loading' the game "COD MW 2019" or the next level. That is insane.
If you aren't a gamer, an enthusiast and/or you won't utilize applications that take advantage of extra cores, then, really, go and get a 3400G. It's an excellent CPU (on daily, 'normal' usage you wouldn't notice a big difference between that one and the 3900x. Of course there is a difference, but not the one you may have in mind; not a 4 VS 12 cores difference.
I got a 3400G for my wife and she can't be happier. Mind you, l would've gotten her the best available in the market had l thought a difference was to be found (for her PC usage). The 3400G will save you money (cheaper, no GPU needed, less powerful PSU required... even the electricity bill will be cheaper... ;-)
Girls and boys, if you have questions, down in the comments. I hope this helps!
Update 1st October 2019:
I switched to a 3700x. The only difference l notice between the 3600x and the 3700x is when looking at MSI Afterburner OSD overlay while playing Battlefield V. Now, CPU usage is a lot less than before. If you're just a gamer you should be more than fine with the 3600x, l surely was. It just that seeing that high CPU usage while playing BV was bugging me (YMMV, as ever).
The 3700x at stock (PBO off) is hitting advertised clocks in most cores. More importantly, idle voltage and temps are now settled after upgrading to BIOS 7501 (on an Asus C6H x370). I'm using Ryzen Balanced Windows Power Plan.
So yeah, so far so good. Boy this's been a journey!
I guess l'll now wait for an offer on the 3900x, not because l need it (not by any means!) but because l can and l am a PC enthusiast. Having 6 cores is good, 8 is great and 12 is awesome. 16 cores, l hear you say? Yeah, bring them on baby!
Update 18th September 2019:
- Upgraded to 5 STARS. At this price (I paid GBP 220, bought from Amazon), this CPU is amazing.
- Added picture showing 2 cores reaching 4468MHz (HWinfo).
- Waiting for BIOS update of 30th September.
I continue being very happy with this CPU. It's snappy and fast. I have observed games like "Battlefield V" using it up to 90%. The game runs as smooth as you would want it (paired to a MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X Trio) and it's a joy to play.
Now, my plan is to upgrade to a better Ryzen CPU next year and hopefully keep it for a few years (I'd buy an 8 cores minimum). If you buy a CPU having in mind to keep it for 3+ years, and you like playing games that utilize 8 or more cores if available (like "BV" does) then I would suggest you going for a 3700x instead. It'll be a better buy in that case scenario.
Update (a week after purchase):
I got into terms with this CPU and decided to keep it.
After a week of daily usage l can tell this processor is faster and snappier than the one it’s replacing, a email@example.comGhz.
The only problem I found is the idle temperatures are ‘somehow’ hotter than the 1700x (even when OC). Basically, when idling, the 3600x temperature jumps from around 35°C all the way to 60-63°C. It is a strange, ‘restless’ behavior (see my system’s specs at the bottom).
I have come into terms with this by readjusting the fans’ curve. In any case, the fans every now and then rev up to speeds they never reached before (past 2000Rpms in the case of the CPU fans when the latter occasionally reaches 73°C for a few seconds while loading a game). This happens rarely, but I’ve seeing it.
In most cases, while gaming or stress testing, the CPU tends to sit at 60-63°C with an ambient temperature of around 20°C. For example, playing Battlefield V (3840x1200@120Hz), as you can see in the (lousy) uploaded pictures. I’d happily say this CPU is pretty cool under load.
Another ‘weird’ thing I observed is the voltage. At idle, 1.4V; under load 1.3V. I think this is why the CPU is hot and jumpy when idling VS cooler and more stable under load. I researched online and found that the higher idle voltage is meant to ‘assist’ the 1-2 cores higher clock speed, whereas the lower voltage under load is because of the slower 6 clocks core speed.
Speaking of clock speed, my processor has no problem reaching the advertised 4.4Ghz and even 4.450Ghz occasionally. While playing games it sits at 4.275-4.3Ghz, often speeding up to 4.375Ghz. I used “GPU Tweak II” to see the CPU’s behavior ‘while playing games’ and “HWmonitor” to monitor it in general.
One thing to notice is the CPU cooler l’m using: an AIO 360mm Corsair H150i PRO with 3x Be Quiet Silent Wings 3 fans. Keep in mind your clock speed and you temps may vary when pairing the 3600x with a different, less efficient cooler.
I’ll try to take and add new, more informative pictures when l have the time.
All in all, if you’re coming from a 1700x/2700x or slower, I’d recommend the upgrade if you’re looking for a faster ‘Single Core (SC)’ speed and a snappier feeling when using the PC (e.g. opening programs, loading websites, etc.). (Bear in mind, around half a year ago I tried the 2700x on my rig but l sent it back due to not noticing any improvement compared to my 1700x.)
I keep the 4 stars rating due to the 'weird idle behavior'. Otherwise this CPU would completely deserve 5 stars. Price to performance it is a 5 stars CPU.
- C6H (x370)
- RTX 2080 Strix
- Corsair H150i PRO (with 3x Be Quiet Silent Wings 3)
- NVME Samsung 960 PRO
- 3200Mhz – 16GB RAM – Corsair Dominator Platinum
- EVGA T2 - 850w
- Be Quiet Dark Base 900 Pro
(*As a side note and in order to help prospective buyers decide between this CPU and the 3700x.)
If your usage is like mine (Word, 20+ tabs/two windows internet browsing, gaming AAA games, listening to music and watching movies) then this CPU will surely serve you very well. I would certainly also explore Intel options (specifically the 9700K if on offer).
I’ve had an 8 cores CPU (the aforementioned 1700x) and trust me, if you want a fast, snappy feeling on your PC, you want high SC performance. Leave all those 8 cores for ‘video editors’ and other users of applications that utilize a high core/thread count.
‘Future proofing,’ I hear you say? I laugh at that concept. My beloved 1700x bought in the best region of the world (Cambridge, Massachusetts) in May 2017 (yeah, I was a Zen early adopter) is already outdated by a 6 cores CPU, 2 years later. There is no ‘future proofing’ in technology. Now, if you can’t afford an upgrade every 2 years or you just don’t bother, then surely, aim at the best you can buy today. I would then pay the extra 80 GBP and get the 3700x because those extra 2 cores may come handy in the coming 4-5 years. If your PC usage is like mine and you’re like me in that you’re already thinking of the new Ryzen CPU (Zen 5?) then get this one and save those 80 GBP for the next Ryzen generation.
‘Some games use 8 cores,’ you say. Well, check games benchmarks and tell me what the difference is: 5fps? 8fps in the best case scenario? Will you notice that? I surely won’t.
I have mixed feelings about the 3600x.
On one hand it 'feels' snappier and faster than my old and trusty 1700x (even when OC to 3.9Ghz), on the other hand the 3600x runs hotter when idling.
My PC was silent until upgrading to the 3600x. I can now hear the 3x Be Quiet Silent Wings 3 fans revving up (installed on a 360mm AIO Corsair 150i PRO) at idle. Ambient temperature: 19°C.
The CPU reaches the advertised speed and l have seen it surpassing it, too (see pictures attached). When all cores are in use it seats at 4.09 while aleatory changing the speed of 1 core to 4.124Mhz (when benchmarking Cinebench r15 MC).
So far it gets 4 stars because it runs significantly hotter than the 1700x (3.9Ghz OC) at idle. When gaming (BV) it sits at around 63-65°C (see attached pictures) (Front door of my case opened, 3x 140mm Be Quiet Silent Wings 3 located at the case front running at full speed).
Conclusion, after a few hours of testing (To be updated):
- It feels snappier/faster than a 1700x (OC to 3.9Ghz) when opening programs and ‘normal usage’. This time it’s not only about ‘numbers’ (benchmarks) but you can ‘feel’ the difference.
- It runs hotter than a 1700x (even when OC to 3.9Ghz).
- Metro Exodus Benchmark: l get the very same results with the 3600x and the 1700x on this benchmark. I guess l’m GPU limited/bottlenecked (but just to say).
One star off because of the temps at idle. l'll conduct further testing and come back to update this review in a week.
Attention : impossible d'installer Ubuntu Disco dessus (Ubuntu 18.04 passe avec quelque manipulations).
Autrement c'est un bon processeur, on attend les mises à jour pour profiter de son potentiel maximum. Pas de soucis sous windows 10 et une fois intaller sous ubuntu 18.04 (noyaux generique 5) tout roule.
Trés bon en encodage ,mais faut désactiver le smt, Amd n'ayant pas encore réglé a 100% ce problème.
Je tourne a 2Fps en CRF 20 4k x265 10 bit. Trés bien en Jeu (après j'ai une gtx 1650). Très stable.
Niveau Perf/Tarif c'est ce qu'on trouve de mieux
Include anche pezzi di metallo per la pesatura della scatola
The 3600X cost me just £20 more than the 3600 did, and I've not had any issues with it.
Like most, AMD Ryzen CPUs weren't necessarily hitting the advertised clocks in the way that were expected, but following a number of BIOS updates this issue is now resolved.
My 3600X can hit 4.5GHz on each individual core when set manually, but this isn't the optimum way to use these CPUs. Instead I just now let it get on with its own job; pretty sure that AMD know how to get the best out of their CPUs, especially so compared to me.
I have no issues hitting advertised clocks, or exceeding them automatically.
There's a new BIOS released for my board, and I've not tested that yet, but I doubt there'd be a regression.
Ere what can I say it's fast, a blinking lot faster the the i7 6850k.even keeps up with my work i9 9900k, wtf, and dirt cheap
It just does 4k gaming with ease ( paired with an rtx 2080), for the price to performance it can't be touched, rip Intel.
Great processor, great price, good cooler included, even on an msi b450 board it flys.
Needless to say it handles anything with ease, the old cpu was a bottleneck for the modern games I played and this is no longer the case. I paired this with Corsair Vengeance RGB RAM and it works really nicely.
The only slight issue is the stock cooler is a bit tetchy, it ramps the fan speed up instantly and can be a little loud, will probably change this cooler for something better down the line.
If you’re having doubts about moving to Ryzen from Intel have no fear, the process was seamless and I’m glad I made the move. The value proposition on this is also really strong.
Voltage seemed a bit high but this seems normal, going up and down from 1.191 to 1.460 and i havent touched nothing in the bios except the ram overclock setting.
Ive been reading temps are high,on the desktop it was between 30c-50c which seemed high to me so i was worried gaming would put it through the roof ,but to my suprise the most i saw around 50c-60c tops, i am using the Corsair H115i 280mm so this must help a lot compared to the stock cooler.
Albeit replaced soon after purchase, the included CPU cooler was actually quite impressive for a stock cooler, and if overclocking isn't on the cards at all, it is more than adequate assuming a decent case air flow.
I would not hesitate to recommend this CPU for hefty desktop work, and of course nearly all gaming setups in the mid-range category.
While I have no trouble recommended the cpu the cooler is beyond crap. It sounds like a bag of cats hung over a fire and no matter how I played round with fan speeds etc it got little better. Changed the stock thermal paste out for much better and more expensive paste and this made so little difference it is not worth going into. Stuck on an after market cooler and all solved.
The 5 3600x is a waste of money without an after market cooler which makes the X letter rather expensive. Stick to the 5 3600 and use the money saved for a good cooler. First time in 15 years I am truly annoyed in AMD for what is clearly a cash grab.